Alex KloonBoss

May 24 2014, 11:32 AM

I just said what I had to say. Nobody is or should be superior here.

Kaboom

May 24 2014, 01:05 PM

Alex KloonBoss

May 24 2014, 11:32 AM

I just said what I had to say. Nobody is or should be superior here.

I never tried to paint myself as superior.

On the contrary, opening a thread by essentially saying, "let's shoot down this ignorant and foolish opinion about <topic> once and for all" doesn't exactly come across as humble.

Clearin

May 24 2014, 12:45 PM

I don't really think the movie release date proves anything, for one thing is there any proof the adults were ever not haxed in the Buu saga? The only time I can think of is when Vegeta gets his a*** kicked by Fat Buu, but then Fat Buu may also have been haxed, right? But whether they were or not doesn't matter too much because the Anime was up to the Super Buu saga at that point, which is the point in the saga the adults were haxed. Sure they hadn't actually appeared yet, but Toei may have already had it in mind to hax them (I can imagine them thinking Goku was never going to be weaker than Gotenks, so as soon as Gotenks was made, Goku was haxed in Toei's mind).

I'm not saying Goku was haxed, I don't think there's any evidence either way, but using release dates doesn't work for me because it implies that Toei honestly believed if they were going to hax someone then they'd have to wait for the Anime to do it before doing it in a movie, which is just saying they have a set of rules they follow for breaking rules (of the Manga). The only thing the release date tells me is that Gotenks had already been shown in the anime, and since I believe Toei haxed Goku to keep him above Gotenks, then it's all I need to believe there's a chance Goku was haxed in the movie.

Yusuke Urameshi

May 24 2014, 04:53 PM

Clearin

May 24 2014, 12:45 PM

I don't really think the movie release date proves anything, for one thing is there any proof the adults were ever not haxed in the Buu saga? The only time I can think of is when Vegeta gets his a*** kicked by Fat Buu, but then Fat Buu may also have been haxed, right? But whether they were or not doesn't matter too much because the Anime was up to the Super Buu saga at that point, which is the point in the saga the adults were haxed. Sure they hadn't actually appeared yet, but Toei may have already had it in mind to hax them (I can imagine them thinking Goku was never going to be weaker than Gotenks, so as soon as Gotenks was made, Goku was haxed in Toei's mind).

I'm not saying Goku was haxed, I don't think there's any evidence either way, but using release dates doesn't work for me because it implies that Toei honestly believed if they were going to hax someone then they'd have to wait for the Anime to do it before doing it in a movie, which is just saying they have a set of rules they follow for breaking rules (of the Manga). The only thing the release date tells me is that Gotenks had already been shown in the anime, and since I believe Toei haxed Goku to keep him above Gotenks, then it's all I need to believe there's a chance Goku was haxed in the movie.

it gives us a good gauge to go by.

What you said about the Adults being haxed isn't true because you've forgotten that Toei was doing a good job UP until that point in the Buutenks filler where Toei decided to go their own way with their powerscalling.

Goku was haxed in both movies, no doubt but using the timeline is a good way to figure out just exactly what level the characters were at. It might not be concrete but it's better than just using something that was completely forgotten about.

Clearin

May 24 2014, 05:15 PM

Yusuke Urameshi

May 24 2014, 04:53 PM

Clearin

May 24 2014, 12:45 PM

I don't really think the movie release date proves anything, for one thing is there any proof the adults were ever not haxed in the Buu saga? The only time I can think of is when Vegeta gets his a*** kicked by Fat Buu, but then Fat Buu may also have been haxed, right? But whether they were or not doesn't matter too much because the Anime was up to the Super Buu saga at that point, which is the point in the saga the adults were haxed. Sure they hadn't actually appeared yet, but Toei may have already had it in mind to hax them (I can imagine them thinking Goku was never going to be weaker than Gotenks, so as soon as Gotenks was made, Goku was haxed in Toei's mind).

I'm not saying Goku was haxed, I don't think there's any evidence either way, but using release dates doesn't work for me because it implies that Toei honestly believed if they were going to hax someone then they'd have to wait for the Anime to do it before doing it in a movie, which is just saying they have a set of rules they follow for breaking rules (of the Manga). The only thing the release date tells me is that Gotenks had already been shown in the anime, and since I believe Toei haxed Goku to keep him above Gotenks, then it's all I need to believe there's a chance Goku was haxed in the movie.

it gives us a good gauge to go by.

What you said about the Adults being haxed isn't true because you've forgotten that Toei was doing a good job UP until that point in the Buutenks filler where Toei decided to go their own way with their powerscalling.

Goku was haxed in both movies, no doubt but using the timeline is a good way to figure out just exactly what level the characters were at. It might not be concrete but it's better than just using something that was completely forgotten about.

They were doing a good job because there was never really a time before it where their hax would have gone into play, with the possible exception of Vegeta vs Fat Buu.

Although as I said, whether they were haxed or not before tat doesn't matter too much imo. My own personal opinion on the haxing is that Toei decided that Goku is the strongest, which means as soon as Gotenks came about in the Anime, Goku was haxed in Toei's mind to keep him above Gotenks. It only started showing in the anime around the Buutenks saga because that's when Goku and Vegeta started fighting again. How could they show Goku being haxed on the Kaioshin planet after all?